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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2315</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew,

Both. The MLS database is created by agents, for agents. Monthly dues keep it operational.

A home search like the one behind the link below literally provides access to all of the MLS data except private information of the seller, showing instructions, realtor comments, expiry date and commissions offered.

http://homesearch.teamfisher.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew,</p>
<p>Both. The MLS database is created by agents, for agents. Monthly dues keep it operational.</p>
<p>A home search like the one behind the link below literally provides access to all of the MLS data except private information of the seller, showing instructions, realtor comments, expiry date and commissions offered.</p>
<p><a href="http://homesearch.teamfisher.com" rel="nofollow">http://homesearch.teamfisher.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, what does it take to get access to the MLS database? Do you need to be a realtor? Pay an access fee? Both?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, what does it take to get access to the MLS database? Do you need to be a realtor? Pay an access fee? Both?</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,

To be honest I&#039;m not sure what can happen, but it is an illegal practice known as steering, and the definition of steering is: the illegal funneling of home buyers to a particular area based on the desire to keep the makeup of that neighborhood the same or intentionally change it.

Appears to be designed to prevent discrimination.

Jay Thompson writes a bit about it here if you&#039;re interested.

http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/ask-the-agents-where-are-the-good-neighborhoods/396</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,</p>
<p>To be honest I&#8217;m not sure what can happen, but it is an illegal practice known as steering, and the definition of steering is: the illegal funneling of home buyers to a particular area based on the desire to keep the makeup of that neighborhood the same or intentionally change it.</p>
<p>Appears to be designed to prevent discrimination.</p>
<p>Jay Thompson writes a bit about it here if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/ask-the-agents-where-are-the-good-neighborhoods/396" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/ask-the-agents-where-are-the-good-neighborhoods/396</a></p>
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		<title>By: Len</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;An agent can&#039;t even suggest that an area is a bad spot in the U.S. anymore.&quot;

For real? What can happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;An agent can&#8217;t even suggest that an area is a bad spot in the U.S. anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>For real? What can happen?</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

Thanks. I&#039;ll think about that. Canceled listing are easy, though I&#039;m not sure that there&#039;s much relevance. I really, really like the MLS the SRAR brought in for agents last year. It can do nearly anything, except reliably pull expired listings.

Todd,

&quot;just wondering what you think of John Himpe&#039;s blog as far as buying a house in certain areas.&quot;

I agree completely with the idea that there are certain spots that just aren&#039;t very safe. I wouldn&#039;t sleep at night if my daughter was living in Megan&#039;s neighbourhood, so naturally, I wouldn&#039;t sell your daughter a house there either. That said, I&#039;ll bet that Megan is someone who doesn&#039;t feel that she has a lot of options to move up to a better neighbourhood.

I wonder how long it will be before a real estate agent isn&#039;t free to say, &quot;You know, this certainly isn&#039;t a spot that I&#039;d feel comfortable having my daughter live.&quot; An agent can&#039;t even suggest that an area is a bad spot in the U.S. anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>Thanks. I&#8217;ll think about that. Canceled listing are easy, though I&#8217;m not sure that there&#8217;s much relevance. I really, really like the MLS the SRAR brought in for agents last year. It can do nearly anything, except reliably pull expired listings.</p>
<p>Todd,</p>
<p>&#8220;just wondering what you think of John Himpe&#8217;s blog as far as buying a house in certain areas.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree completely with the idea that there are certain spots that just aren&#8217;t very safe. I wouldn&#8217;t sleep at night if my daughter was living in Megan&#8217;s neighbourhood, so naturally, I wouldn&#8217;t sell your daughter a house there either. That said, I&#8217;ll bet that Megan is someone who doesn&#8217;t feel that she has a lot of options to move up to a better neighbourhood.</p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be before a real estate agent isn&#8217;t free to say, &#8220;You know, this certainly isn&#8217;t a spot that I&#8217;d feel comfortable having my daughter live.&#8221; An agent can&#8217;t even suggest that an area is a bad spot in the U.S. anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Greatest Fools&quot; (May-26-2009)

http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/05/26/the-greatest-fools/

I&#039;m sure more than a few other people closely follow Garth Turner&#039;s daily posts, but this one in particular deserves special attention. Whatever you pay think of Garth personally, he&#039;s dead on the money on this one (no pun intended).

&quot;Welcome to the parallel universe. As I have been detailing lately, the greatest fools in real estate are not those who bought at the height of the bubble in late 2007, they are the ones buying now, at the pinnacle of denial.&quot;

&quot;Canadian household debt has red-lined. The country’s accountants have just warned that families now owe $1.3 trillion, most personal debt on credit cards and LOCs. Sadly, 85% of us have unpaid credit card bills. Worse, a third of all families could not handle an unexpected $5,000 expense. Even worse, one in ten families could not pay a $500 bill. Meanwhile, corporate profits are non-existent, meaning any recovery will be essentially jobless.&quot;

&quot;The current real estate buzz will destroy the wealth of those now buying, especially in multi-offer situations. Current first-time buyers will face a double threat of rising mortgage rates and collapsing values over the next two to five years. They will truly wonder why they took such a gamble and how helicopter parents, friends and ‘experts’ could have been so wrong. In two years there will be virtually no move-up buyers. High-end houses will be nailed.&quot;

&quot;And as all of the above comes together in the next dozen or two months, supply will swamp demand. Those shelling out full price in the Spring of 09 will look as equity cowboys did in the Spring of 30.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Greatest Fools&#8221; (May-26-2009)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/05/26/the-greatest-fools/" rel="nofollow">http://www.greaterfool.ca/2009/05/26/the-greatest-fools/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure more than a few other people closely follow Garth Turner&#8217;s daily posts, but this one in particular deserves special attention. Whatever you pay think of Garth personally, he&#8217;s dead on the money on this one (no pun intended).</p>
<p>&#8220;Welcome to the parallel universe. As I have been detailing lately, the greatest fools in real estate are not those who bought at the height of the bubble in late 2007, they are the ones buying now, at the pinnacle of denial.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Canadian household debt has red-lined. The country’s accountants have just warned that families now owe $1.3 trillion, most personal debt on credit cards and LOCs. Sadly, 85% of us have unpaid credit card bills. Worse, a third of all families could not handle an unexpected $5,000 expense. Even worse, one in ten families could not pay a $500 bill. Meanwhile, corporate profits are non-existent, meaning any recovery will be essentially jobless.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The current real estate buzz will destroy the wealth of those now buying, especially in multi-offer situations. Current first-time buyers will face a double threat of rising mortgage rates and collapsing values over the next two to five years. They will truly wonder why they took such a gamble and how helicopter parents, friends and ‘experts’ could have been so wrong. In two years there will be virtually no move-up buyers. High-end houses will be nailed.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;And as all of the above comes together in the next dozen or two months, supply will swamp demand. Those shelling out full price in the Spring of 09 will look as equity cowboys did in the Spring of 30.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EI claims in Saskatoon and Saskatchewan have spiked (SP)

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/claims+Saskatoon+Saskatchewan+have+spiked+says/1636075/story.html

&quot;According to Statistics Canada, the number of EI claimants in March was 2,330 — a 70 per cent jump from the same period a year ago. Overall, the province saw an overall 44 per cent increase in claims, and Regina – the only other Saskatchewan city included in Statistics Canada’s list of census metropolitan areas – saw a 32 per cent increase.&quot;

70% in Saskatoon, 32% in Regina and 44% in the province, overall (there were some indications in January that claims were on the rise and might see a sharp spike).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EI claims in Saskatoon and Saskatchewan have spiked (SP)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestarphoenix.com/claims+Saskatoon+Saskatchewan+have+spiked+says/1636075/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestarphoenix.com/claims+Saskatoon+Saskatchewan+have+spiked+says/1636075/story.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;According to Statistics Canada, the number of EI claimants in March was 2,330 — a 70 per cent jump from the same period a year ago. Overall, the province saw an overall 44 per cent increase in claims, and Regina – the only other Saskatchewan city included in Statistics Canada’s list of census metropolitan areas – saw a 32 per cent increase.&#8221;</p>
<p>70% in Saskatoon, 32% in Regina and 44% in the province, overall (there were some indications in January that claims were on the rise and might see a sharp spike).</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Saskatoon City Police has a link about halfway down their main page where you can select the crime stats for any community during any given month.

http://www.police.saskatoon.sk.ca/

In some of the newer areas they only have stats for 2009, but for most of the existing areas they go back to 2007. I couldn&#039;t find a community map on the City of Saskatoon&#039;s website, but this appears to be a fairly recent update.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saskatoon_Neighbourhoods.png

Pleasant Hill probably has some of the worst right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saskatoon City Police has a link about halfway down their main page where you can select the crime stats for any community during any given month.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.police.saskatoon.sk.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.police.saskatoon.sk.ca/</a></p>
<p>In some of the newer areas they only have stats for 2009, but for most of the existing areas they go back to 2007. I couldn&#8217;t find a community map on the City of Saskatoon&#8217;s website, but this appears to be a fairly recent update.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saskatoon_Neighbourhoods.png" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Saskatoon_Neighbourhoods.png</a></p>
<p>Pleasant Hill probably has some of the worst right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2304</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Norm, just wondering what you think of John Himpe&#039;s blog as far as buying a house in certain areas.

http://www.newstalk650.com/blogs/john-himpe/its-not-worth-it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Norm, just wondering what you think of John Himpe&#8217;s blog as far as buying a house in certain areas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newstalk650.com/blogs/john-himpe/its-not-worth-it" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstalk650.com/blogs/john-himpe/its-not-worth-it</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norm, is there a way to graph the weekly cancelled/expired listings (perhaps in blue) - even if only for 2009? We always seem to see a spike (in red) of new listings at the beginning of each month (which probably comprises those cancelled/re-listed) and it might be beneficial to see when listings are typically expiring or being cancelled each month. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm, is there a way to graph the weekly cancelled/expired listings (perhaps in blue) &#8211; even if only for 2009? We always seem to see a spike (in red) of new listings at the beginning of each month (which probably comprises those cancelled/re-listed) and it might be beneficial to see when listings are typically expiring or being cancelled each month. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 16:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

Cheap laminate could give a great return on investment if it was used in an inexpensive house to cover over something that was even more hideous. It&#039;s clean, looks okay, and would suit a house that would be appealing to someone on a tight budget. I think the key to getting your money out of a reno is to pick finishes that are in keeping with the quality of a typical house in the neighbourhood. Spend too much and the buyers in that neighbourhood won&#039;t pay much more for upgrades they don&#039;t need. Don&#039;t spend enough, and buyers will mentally deduct the cost of replacing it (as you did).

I&#039;m with you on the cheap laminate, though; about the only thing uglier is wood or leather-look sheet vinyl. Plus, it doesn&#039;t last anywhere near as long as real wood, so over a lifetime, it really isn&#039;t that cheap! However, what&#039;s wrong with something that was just put in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>Cheap laminate could give a great return on investment if it was used in an inexpensive house to cover over something that was even more hideous. It&#8217;s clean, looks okay, and would suit a house that would be appealing to someone on a tight budget. I think the key to getting your money out of a reno is to pick finishes that are in keeping with the quality of a typical house in the neighbourhood. Spend too much and the buyers in that neighbourhood won&#8217;t pay much more for upgrades they don&#8217;t need. Don&#8217;t spend enough, and buyers will mentally deduct the cost of replacing it (as you did).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on the cheap laminate, though; about the only thing uglier is wood or leather-look sheet vinyl. Plus, it doesn&#8217;t last anywhere near as long as real wood, so over a lifetime, it really isn&#8217;t that cheap! However, what&#8217;s wrong with something that was just put in?</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

I suppose if you were completely opposed to cheap laminate it would not have any impact on the value.

If you were one of the large group of people who is inclined to purchase cheap laminate floors you might see some value to it. Of course, 50% of cheap laminate adds a lot less value than 50% of a quality hardwood.

Wouldn&#039;t it depend, at least to some extent, on what the cheap laminate replaced and what kind of property it was? I would think that cheap laminate would make a small home more valuable (at least marginally) than if it were sold with orange, worn, dated and dirty carpets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>I suppose if you were completely opposed to cheap laminate it would not have any impact on the value.</p>
<p>If you were one of the large group of people who is inclined to purchase cheap laminate floors you might see some value to it. Of course, 50% of cheap laminate adds a lot less value than 50% of a quality hardwood.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it depend, at least to some extent, on what the cheap laminate replaced and what kind of property it was? I would think that cheap laminate would make a small home more valuable (at least marginally) than if it were sold with orange, worn, dated and dirty carpets.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2301</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it correct to assume the suggestion that flooring will give a 50-75% return on investment is not speaking to the cheap ($1.99 stuff) laminate flooring?

We just purchased a new to us home after an exhaustive search and if it had the cheapo laminate I automatically either crossed it off the list or deducted flooring from the purchase price b/c it would need to be replaced and we knew full well that some of it was just put in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it correct to assume the suggestion that flooring will give a 50-75% return on investment is not speaking to the cheap ($1.99 stuff) laminate flooring?</p>
<p>We just purchased a new to us home after an exhaustive search and if it had the cheapo laminate I automatically either crossed it off the list or deducted flooring from the purchase price b/c it would need to be replaced and we knew full well that some of it was just put in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2300</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, &quot;CGA-Canada warned Tuesday that many individuals are unaware of how the economic downturn has hit their financial situation, and they continue to load up their credit cards and lines of credit while skimping on savings&quot; and &quot;...85 per cent of households had outstanding debt on a credit card&quot;. This statement is particularly ominous: &quot;One-quarter of those interviewed would not be able to handle an unforeseen expense of $5,000, and one in 10 would have trouble with an unforeseen cost of $500.&quot; This shouldn&#039;t be at all surprising if 80% of the mortgages being written up are close to the maximum allowed.gas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, &#8220;CGA-Canada warned Tuesday that many individuals are unaware of how the economic downturn has hit their financial situation, and they continue to load up their credit cards and lines of credit while skimping on savings&#8221; and &#8220;&#8230;85 per cent of households had outstanding debt on a credit card&#8221;. This statement is particularly ominous: &#8220;One-quarter of those interviewed would not be able to handle an unforeseen expense of $5,000, and one in 10 would have trouble with an unforeseen cost of $500.&#8221; This shouldn&#8217;t be at all surprising if 80% of the mortgages being written up are close to the maximum allowed.gas</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadian households $1.3-trillion in debt

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/personal-finance/canadian-households-13-trillion-in-debt/article1153329/

&quot;The report says Canadian personal indebtedness “is a highly disturbing matter” and prospects are low for improving household financial security.&quot;

Just to see how much 1.3 trillion of debt is;

Canada GDP 2008 = 1.5 trillion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadian households $1.3-trillion in debt</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/personal-finance/canadian-households-13-trillion-in-debt/article1153329/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/personal-finance/canadian-households-13-trillion-in-debt/article1153329/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The report says Canadian personal indebtedness “is a highly disturbing matter” and prospects are low for improving household financial security.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just to see how much 1.3 trillion of debt is;</p>
<p>Canada GDP 2008 = 1.5 trillion</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2298</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey,

I know I had made a few predictions, but have come up short, but I believe most were said to the effect of &quot; house prices will drop to xxxxx even if the economy stays the same and interest rates stay the same.

Well, the economy is not doing what it did the last 2 years ( it is doing well compared to other places) and interest rates have dropped.  House prices and sales have come down a bit, but not what I had thought.

By making predictions we can only give an educated guess and much of that depends on what school one attends.  And there are some bad schools on the internet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey,</p>
<p>I know I had made a few predictions, but have come up short, but I believe most were said to the effect of &#8221; house prices will drop to xxxxx even if the economy stays the same and interest rates stay the same.</p>
<p>Well, the economy is not doing what it did the last 2 years ( it is doing well compared to other places) and interest rates have dropped.  House prices and sales have come down a bit, but not what I had thought.</p>
<p>By making predictions we can only give an educated guess and much of that depends on what school one attends.  And there are some bad schools on the internet!</p>
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		<title>By: Crikey</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator>Crikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Norm,

&quot;What&#039;s your recollection of the parameters? Was it the average for the residential category over the whole quarter, or the average for June?&quot;

I seem to recall it was the former. There was also a prediction way back when for medians and averages for each quarter in 2009, along with predicted numbers of sales and listings for the year. Although I may not have the predictive abilities of Nostradamus, I don&#039;t see any humble bowing in your future, no. :)

Mark,

&quot;when it comes to that recent thread, as you can see, the current average sits dead in the middle of my two parameters:)&quot;

Nice touch. I enjoy this old saw:

&quot;Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.&quot;

Niels Bohr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Norm,</p>
<p>&#8220;What&#8217;s your recollection of the parameters? Was it the average for the residential category over the whole quarter, or the average for June?&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to recall it was the former. There was also a prediction way back when for medians and averages for each quarter in 2009, along with predicted numbers of sales and listings for the year. Although I may not have the predictive abilities of Nostradamus, I don&#8217;t see any humble bowing in your future, no. <img src='http://teamfisher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mark,</p>
<p>&#8220;when it comes to that recent thread, as you can see, the current average sits dead in the middle of my two parameters:)&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice touch. I enjoy this old saw:</p>
<p>&#8220;Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Niels Bohr</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just watching House Hunters, on HGTV, one of my faves, the wife comes in big as a battleship, this is nice, that is nice the kitchen has white rather then stainless though, oh Brian would love that granite around the fireplace, but the bathroom is only trimmed with 18k gold, we like platinum. Can&#039;t imagine how so many people stateside got themselves into so much trouble financially. 5 bedrooms 4 baths 3400 sq ft, it only had a 2 car garage but I guess we can make it do. hmmmm. can you say oink oink !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watching House Hunters, on HGTV, one of my faves, the wife comes in big as a battleship, this is nice, that is nice the kitchen has white rather then stainless though, oh Brian would love that granite around the fireplace, but the bathroom is only trimmed with 18k gold, we like platinum. Can&#8217;t imagine how so many people stateside got themselves into so much trouble financially. 5 bedrooms 4 baths 3400 sq ft, it only had a 2 car garage but I guess we can make it do. hmmmm. can you say oink oink !</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2295</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You were pretty vague. :)&quot;

Yes Norm, that&#039;s the trick.  So was Nostradamus.  That&#039;s why his stuff always seems to work.  Woody Allen once parodied Nostradamus in a short story, quoting him as saying:  &quot;Two countries will go to war.  One will win.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You were pretty vague. <img src='http://teamfisher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Norm, that&#8217;s the trick.  So was Nostradamus.  That&#8217;s why his stuff always seems to work.  Woody Allen once parodied Nostradamus in a short story, quoting him as saying:  &#8220;Two countries will go to war.  One will win.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey, I forgot about that thread, I suppose cause I had no prediction really.  I thought we were talking about everyone&#039;s predictions back in November and December, when it seemed like so many on this blog saw a rapid collapse coming.  Still though, when it comes to that recent thread, as you can see, the current average sits dead in the middle of my two parameters:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, I forgot about that thread, I suppose cause I had no prediction really.  I thought we were talking about everyone&#8217;s predictions back in November and December, when it seemed like so many on this blog saw a rapid collapse coming.  Still though, when it comes to that recent thread, as you can see, the current average sits dead in the middle of my two parameters:)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2293</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw 35 listings and 35 sales following Norm on Twitter today, thats the first time I&#039;ve seen sales equal listings.

Another choice other then bearish or bullish could be opportunistic, of course opportunities don&#039;t always present themselves when we would like them to but over time they do :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw 35 listings and 35 sales following Norm on Twitter today, thats the first time I&#8217;ve seen sales equal listings.</p>
<p>Another choice other then bearish or bullish could be opportunistic, of course opportunities don&#8217;t always present themselves when we would like them to but over time they do <img src='http://teamfisher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Norm Fisher</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>Norm Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Crikey said, &quot;Your prediction on the same thread for Q2 is a bit more difficult to pin down, as you gave yourself a $60,000 leeway&quot;

She&#039;s really got you there. You were pretty vague. :)

Crikey,

Haven&#039;t seen S&#039;toon in awhile. I was a little worried there towards the end of April but I&#039;m starting to feel confident that I won&#039;t be having to &quot;humbly bow&quot; because of a $310 average.

What&#039;s your recollection of the parameters? Was it the average for the residential category over the whole quarter, or the average for June?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Crikey said, &#8220;Your prediction on the same thread for Q2 is a bit more difficult to pin down, as you gave yourself a $60,000 leeway&#8221;</p>
<p>She&#8217;s really got you there. You were pretty vague. <img src='http://teamfisher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Crikey,</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen S&#8217;toon in awhile. I was a little worried there towards the end of April but I&#8217;m starting to feel confident that I won&#8217;t be having to &#8220;humbly bow&#8221; because of a $310 average.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your recollection of the parameters? Was it the average for the residential category over the whole quarter, or the average for June?</p>
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		<title>By: Crikey</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2292</link>
		<dc:creator>Crikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My prediction for Q2 average price was $287,000 (end of Q1 prediction was $281,300). That was back in March; here’s the link, it’s a fair bit down the thread:  http://tinyurl.com/pkrs4s

Your prediction on the same thread for Q2 is a bit more difficult to pin down, as you gave yourself a $60,000 leeway:

“I truly have no idea.  240,000 wouldn&#039;t suprise me, and neither would 300,000.  There are just too many variables.”

My point was about the general economy and “markets”, not our housing market specifically. Anyway, let&#039;s not quibble about trivialities- unless you&#039;re actually also &quot;S&#039;toon&quot;, in which case I&#039;m still interested in that bet. ;)

&quot;Now I recall in November or December you predicted a trough of 210,000?  Still see that coming?&quot;

As a *trough*, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s far off. I didn&#039;t see the taxpayer funded free-for-all coming (see, not Nostradamus!), and it&#039;s entirely likely there are other things I won&#039;t see coming. I definitely don&#039;t think we&#039;re past the trough, although I sure hope we&#039;re close to it. I&#039;m afraid the government has kicked this particular debt-riddled can a little further down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My prediction for Q2 average price was $287,000 (end of Q1 prediction was $281,300). That was back in March; here’s the link, it’s a fair bit down the thread:  <a href="http://tinyurl.com/pkrs4s" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/pkrs4s</a></p>
<p>Your prediction on the same thread for Q2 is a bit more difficult to pin down, as you gave yourself a $60,000 leeway:</p>
<p>“I truly have no idea.  240,000 wouldn&#8217;t suprise me, and neither would 300,000.  There are just too many variables.”</p>
<p>My point was about the general economy and “markets”, not our housing market specifically. Anyway, let&#8217;s not quibble about trivialities- unless you&#8217;re actually also &#8220;S&#8217;toon&#8221;, in which case I&#8217;m still interested in that bet. <img src='http://teamfisher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Now I recall in November or December you predicted a trough of 210,000?  Still see that coming?&#8221;</p>
<p>As a *trough*, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s far off. I didn&#8217;t see the taxpayer funded free-for-all coming (see, not Nostradamus!), and it&#8217;s entirely likely there are other things I won&#8217;t see coming. I definitely don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re past the trough, although I sure hope we&#8217;re close to it. I&#8217;m afraid the government has kicked this particular debt-riddled can a little further down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, thanks for the clarification.

&quot;Deficit will be &#039;substantially more&#039; than forecast: Flaherty&quot;, attributed to the &quot;...economic slowdown and lower tax revenues&quot; (shouldn&#039;t be any surprises about a drop in tax revenues, we&#039;ve been seeing indicators of this all over the place). &quot;This is a serious recession we&#039;re in.&quot; (kind of stating the obvious, but at least they&#039;re finally acknowledging what many of us already know).

http://www.canada.com/business/fp/Deficit+will+substantially+more+than+forecast+Flaherty/1628886/story.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, thanks for the clarification.</p>
<p>&#8220;Deficit will be &#8216;substantially more&#8217; than forecast: Flaherty&#8221;, attributed to the &#8220;&#8230;economic slowdown and lower tax revenues&#8221; (shouldn&#8217;t be any surprises about a drop in tax revenues, we&#8217;ve been seeing indicators of this all over the place). &#8220;This is a serious recession we&#8217;re in.&#8221; (kind of stating the obvious, but at least they&#8217;re finally acknowledging what many of us already know).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.canada.com/business/fp/Deficit+will+substantially+more+than+forecast+Flaherty/1628886/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/business/fp/Deficit+will+substantially+more+than+forecast+Flaherty/1628886/story.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://teamfisher.com/potential-resale-returns-on-various-home-improvements/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record Jason, my 20 percent I was referring was from 280 / 270 down to 230.  In any case, 230 would be my extreme situation, I don&#039;t think it will, but can&#039;t rule it out. Quite a bit more than 200 &#039;and change&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record Jason, my 20 percent I was referring was from 280 / 270 down to 230.  In any case, 230 would be my extreme situation, I don&#8217;t think it will, but can&#8217;t rule it out. Quite a bit more than 200 &#8216;and change&#8217;.</p>
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